中东军事爱好者谈中国战机在伊朗
歼-7M 目前在伊朗空军服役 （IRIAF）。从技术理论上说，他们知道怎样生产该种战机，而且伊朗获得了生产这种飞机生产许可证(数目有限的)。
实际上，与最新的标准相比较，这种飞机是过时的。实际上伊朗真正的目的是为获取航空器设计和生产技术上的经验，以便保证可实行生产防御外敌入侵，譬如伊拉克或潜在入侵者。
虽然, 歼-7 为伊朗空军（IRIAF）提供一个更新的机会，但我要提醒的是：这个歼-7M是由米格- 21 的派生并由中国北方军工企业改进的东西。这后者（中国北方军工企业）在伊朗革命前就是伊朗空军航空器和技术上的一个大供应商。
曾经驾驶过该机型的伊朗空军司令决定选择歼-7M 。实际上是因为- 它的便宜价格和性能于伊朗早先的机种相似。这就是为什么我们会有和怎样有了这种飞机。
至于其它原因, 伊朗空军（IRIAF）保留了许多关于空军发展的秘密计划。仅仅只有全世界一些小组才知道伊朗空军（IRIAF） 当前发展的状态的某些细节.
不论怎样， 歼-7还是为伊朗空军（IRIAF）提供一个航空电子的升级的好凡范例" 。
这是什么意思？ 升级从什么，我们的F 14年代还是F 4 年代. ?
歼-7M 不是故意硬塞给了我们。 它是在一个一揽子生意中的一部分，所以我们接受了他们,。 最初为伊朗航空技术机构 （IRGCAF）所有, 当时他们无法飞行和维护它们，因为它们有好多问题，出于失望最后伊朗空军（IRIAF）接管了他们。今天看来他们仍然是糟糕战机,因为歼-7发生的问题，这就是为什么后来我们再也没有从中国购买了其他战机。我认为最新的J-10 型应该有较好的质量。
你没搞懂我的意思。可能我的英文太糟了
我从没说过它是为 F-14"升级而购进的 “!!!!!!!!
但是实际上伊朗有许多技术来自美国的尤其Northrop Grumman，歼-7M 某种方式是一种竞争（competition）技术的“全景”缩影。
此外，中国人在教伊朗工程师那些人中关于如何进行仿造工程的方法和技术。这样我们现有的能力就能以某种方式连接到他们的水平。
然而，我同意，歼-7M 以及其它许多中国的武器质量和可靠性是较差的。在欧洲，通常的中国货物会被以最便宜的价格被售出，它们一般都在一年内衰坏。例如，对于PC硬件。中国人还有一大堆关于如何提高产品质量的东西要学。
10年以前，就因为歼-7一个失效的弹射座位我失去了一个好朋友。 因此，我不明白为什么我们还要歼-7。
没有理由要它 ！
同时，中国人确实教我们关于他们的仿造工程（逆向工程）。但闭口不谈这种仿造的低质量和低标准。
喂 ！ 伊朗朋友。 关于你的朋友的飞机发生什么，如果你不介意能否谈谈它？
（伊朗朋友）：歼-7飞机有着不错的机动性性能的，但我们还要坦率承认的。它最大的缺陷是巡航距离太短。所有MiG-21与歼-7都是这个问题. 然而,为了增加它的巡航距离它就要限制装载武器和航空控制系统这样它成为一架糟糕的飞机。
像伊朗王国这样大的国家所需要的东西应该是象原装的F-14/F-15/MiG-31等飞机 （未经改装航空控制系统和武器系统）。
我的好朋友死在10年以前的一次歼-7飞行事故中，他飞机的液压系统和弹射系统发生了故障， 他能做的唯一的事就是：飞机撞毁之前尽可能地滑行的远离人群，建筑物。飞机最后撞成了许多碎片。我不记得是否有任何在地面上的损失。 他那个时侯是最年轻伊朗空军（IRIAF）的飞行员和他的父亲的唯一的儿子。 这是对他的家庭一个巨大的打击。 他的家庭直今都无法接受他的死亡。让上帝保佑他的灵魂和所有我们这些永远不能回来的航空兵。
在谈论歼-7飞行事故时，我记得在战争期间在巴基斯坦飞行训练中我的一个朋友的年纪稍大的兄弟也是死在飞机弹射系统故障上的。在他的飞机发生了故障后他试图使用弹射系统逃离时，但他失败了。
喂！伙计，（如果）我从一开始就没有搞错歼-7是非常接近米格-21 和歼-13 的变形飞机。 但我可不知道关于歼-7的升级换代，但是所有我知道是歼- 13有巡航范围问题。软弱不足的武器系统也是另一个问题。最近一个Mikhoyan的设计局工程师承认，早期的版本的歼-7 在操纵的敏感性（机动性）上是不如它直接的敌人的海市蜃楼-III战机。
因此我（还要）假定, 歼-7 要比米格-21 和 F13好，但这是一个好的训练航空器。并且是中国第一个尝试着从苏联复制成功的航空器，而且我还听说他们在仿造航空器工程中还有许多问题。
昨天，我得到了一个机会去检查一架米格-21U 教练机驾驶舱。它是那样难以令人相信地局促在前面。我真为它的飞行员感到难受并且想象当米格飞机被击中着火变的发烫时，有多少伊拉克飞行员在这那个小小驾驶舱进地狱。
我有一个问题关于伊朗空军（IRIAF）使用歼-7 为训练新喷气式歼击机飞行员的问题,
因为歼-7 是一个非常不友好和不适合人的航空器, 为什么伊朗空军（IRIAF）要使用这样一架飞机为训练新飞行员?。
The F-7M isin service within IRIAF, however,
Iran obtained a license for the production of this aircraft (in limited number), so as technological know how.
Actually, the aircraft is obsolete compared with latest standards. It's posession by Iran was mainly a mean to acquire aircraft design and production technologies so as to guarantee a viable defence against imediate foes such as Iraq or potential so as Azerbaidjan. But against modern aicraft in UAE or Saudi inventory, this aircraft is fully inefficient...
Though, the F-7 provided a good example of avionic upgrade for the IRIAF persoonel. I shoud remind the fact that the F-7M is a derivation of the elder MiG 21 which has been upgraded for China by Northrop Grumman. This latter was also a big supplier of aircraft and technology to Iran before the revolution.
These facts must have driven the Iranian commanders to choose the F-7M for its cheap cost and its similarity with some Iranian US origin aircrafts.
Well, I think all that is enough to understand the why and the how of this aircraft in Iran's fleet.
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Just for another precision, IRIAF keeps a lot of secret toward the outter world about its aircraft inventory, only suppositions made by various groups worldwide give some detail of the current state of IRIAF.
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"Though, the F-7 provided a good example of avionic upgrade for the IRIAF persoonel"
What does this mean? An upgrade from what, our F-14s, or F-4s???
Iran's procurement of the F-7N was not so much deliberate as it was pushed upon us. It was in a deal from China that in order to deliver other weapons, the F-7s would have to come along. So we took them, out of desperation at the time. Originally for the beloved( ) IRGCAF, and when they were unable to fly and maintain them, the IRIAF took them over. They are garbage and as of today, they are used for fast jet trianers only. The F-7 experience is why we havn't purchased any other aircraft from China. We had so many problems with them breaking down that it was ridiculous. And BTW, welcome here dear sosolp, sorry if I was hard on the Chinese hardware, I think the newer J-10 types are better quality.
You didn't understood me at all...
Damn, maybe my english is too bad...
I never said that it was an "upgrade" for the F-14 !!!!!!!!
But actually, as Iran had quite many technologies from US, coming especially from Northrop Grumman, the F-7M was a completition somehow of this technological "panorama".
Moreover, the Chinese were among those who taught the Iranian engineers about the reverse engineering methods and techs. So our level in the present day is somehow linked to their teachings.
However, I agree, the F-7M and many other Chinese military hardware quality and reliance are poor. Often in Europe, the Chinese sub standard goods are sold at the cheapest price, but they decay soon before one year... As for PC hardware for example. The Chinese have a ot to learn yet about quality product.
That's all...
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10 years ago, I lost a friend in an F-7 due to a faulty ejection seat. So go figure whats point of having F 7 in our Air force ?
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No point at all.
And the Chinese did teach us about what they are masters of. Reverse engineering. Except that they copy everything to a lower quality and standard.
Iranianace, what happened to your friend's aircraft if you don't mind talking about it?
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Let us be frank,
as an aircraft for the F-7 doesn't have bad dog fighting performances. It biggest deficiency is it's short range. A problem with all MiG-21/F-7 variants. However, it's limited avionics package and weapons load make it a bad aircraft for conduction long range patrols and interceptions.
THis is something a big country like Iran needs. Therefor, looking at raw performance (not avionics or weapons types) an aircraft like the F-14/F-15/MiG-31 better suits Irans needs.
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Dear AP,
He got killed in an F-7 10 years ago in a fly-by in Tehran. His aircraft lost hydraulics and the ejection seat malfunctioned. The only thing he did was to glide away as far as possible to avoid populated areas before smashing into a building. The aircraft was shattered all over the crash site. I don't remember if there were any fatalities on the ground or not. He was the youngest IRIAF pilot at that time and the only son of his father. It was a real disaster and a huge blow to his family. His family hardly ever recovered his death. God bless his soul and all our airmen who never came back home
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Talking about fatalities in F7, I remember my friend’s older brother also got killed in a malfunction of the ejecting seat of his craft in Pakistan while training there during the war time, There was a rumor that he was assassinated but never the less he was killed in the malfunction of his ejecting seat in his F7 after his craft malfunctioned and he was trying to eject.
Peace is upon his soul.
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Hi guys. If I'm not being wrong te F-7 would be close to the mig-21 F-13 variant变形
which is one of the early mig-21s.
I don't know about the F-7 upgrade, but all I know is that the F- 13 had range problems.
The weak armament were also another issue. One of the mikhoyan design bureau engineers recently admitted that the early versions were not as responsive in maneuverability as it direct rival The mirage III. Indeed during a friendly exchange between French Normandy Niemen Squad and their Russian counterparts。 the mig had problems in remaining within the imposed flight envelope while performing against Mirage III.
So I presume that the F-7 is certainly better than the Mig21-F13 but it is at best a good training aircraft. The F-7 was also one of the first Chinese attempts to copy Russian aircrafts ands I have heard that they had lots of
problems in reverse engineering the aircraft.
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I got a chance yesterday to walk around and check out the cockpit
of a mig-21u trainer .
It is unbelievably cramped in the front seat. I feel sorry for its pilot
as the visibility
sucks , and the mig turned into a fireball with any hit on it. I imagined how many Iraqis went to hell in that little cockpit.
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I have a question regarding IRIAF using F7 for training new pilots into jet fighter roles,
as F7 is a very unfriendly and unforgiving aircraft, why does IRIAF use such a plane for training the new pilots?